Làm thế nào để chúng ta chữa lành thuốc? – Mr. Nguyen

How do we heal medicine? - Atul Gawande
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How do we heal medicine? - Atul Gawande

 


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to be pit crews now we all need to be pit crews now thank<00:19:08.840> you



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