How to expose the corrupt - Peter Eigen
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I'm going to speak about corruption but
I'm going to speak about corruption but
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I would like to drug suppose two
I would like to drug suppose two
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different things one is the large global
different things one is the large global
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economy the large globalized economy and
economy the large globalized economy and
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the other one is a small and very
the other one is a small and very
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limited capacity of our traditional
limited capacity of our traditional
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governments and their international
governments and their international
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institutions to govern to shape this
institutions to govern to shape this
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economy because it is this this this
economy because it is this this this
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asymmetry which creates basically
asymmetry which creates basically
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failing governance failing governance in
failing governance failing governance in
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many areas in the area of corruption in
many areas in the area of corruption in
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the area of destruction of the
the area of destruction of the
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environment in the area of rotation of
environment in the area of rotation of
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women and children in the area of
women and children in the area of
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climate change in all the areas in which
climate change in all the areas in which
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we really need a capacity to reintroduce
we really need a capacity to reintroduce
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the primacy of politics into the economy
the primacy of politics into the economy
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which is operating in a in a worldwide
which is operating in a in a worldwide
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arena and I think corruption and the
arena and I think corruption and the
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fight against corruption and the impact
fight against corruption and the impact
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of corruption it's probably one of the
of corruption it's probably one of the
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most interesting ways to illustrate what
most interesting ways to illustrate what
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I mean with this failure of governance
I mean with this failure of governance
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let me talk about my own experience I
let me talk about my own experience I
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used to work as the director of the
used to work as the director of the
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World Bank office in Nairobi for for
World Bank office in Nairobi for for
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East Africa at that time I noticed that
East Africa at that time I noticed that
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corruption that brand corruption there
corruption that brand corruption there
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systemic corruption was undermining
systemic corruption was undermining
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everything we were trying to do and
everything we were trying to do and
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therefore I began to not only try to
therefore I began to not only try to
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protect the work of the World Bank our
protect the work of the World Bank our
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own projects our own programs against
own projects our own programs against
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corruption but in general I thought we
corruption but in general I thought we
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need a system to protect the people in
need a system to protect the people in
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this part of the world from the ravages
this part of the world from the ravages
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of corruption and as soon as I started
of corruption and as soon as I started
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this work
this work
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I received a memorandum from the World
I received a memorandum from the World
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Bank from the legal department first in
Bank from the legal department first in
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which they said you are not allowed to
which they said you are not allowed to
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do this you are meddling in the internal
do this you are meddling in the internal
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affairs of our partner countries this is
affairs of our partner countries this is
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forbidden by the charter of the World
forbidden by the charter of the World
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Bank so I want you to stop doing this
Bank so I want you to stop doing this
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in the mean time I was chairing donor
in the mean time I was chairing donor
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meetings for instance in which the
meetings for instance in which the
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various donors and many of them like to
various donors and many of them like to
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be in Nairobi it is true it is one of
be in Nairobi it is true it is one of
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the unsafest cities of the world but
the unsafest cities of the world but
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they like to be there because the other
they like to be there because the other
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cities are even less comfortable and in
cities are even less comfortable and in
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these donor meetings I noticed that many
these donor meetings I noticed that many
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of the worst projects which were put
of the worst projects which were put
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forward by our clients by the
forward by our clients by the
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governments by promoters many often
governments by promoters many often
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representing the suppliers from the
representing the suppliers from the
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north that the worst projects we are
north that the worst projects we are
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realized first let me give you an
realized first let me give you an
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example a huge power project 300 million
example a huge power project 300 million
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dollars to be built smack into one of
dollars to be built smack into one of
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the most vulnerable and one of those
the most vulnerable and one of those
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beautiful areas of western Kenya and we
beautiful areas of western Kenya and we
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all noticed immediately that this
all noticed immediately that this
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project had no economic benefits it had
project had no economic benefits it had
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no clients nobody would buy the
no clients nobody would buy the
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electricity there nobody was interested
electricity there nobody was interested
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in irrigation projects to the contrary
in irrigation projects to the contrary
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we knew that this project will destroy
we knew that this project will destroy
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the environment that would destroy
the environment that would destroy
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riparian forests which were the basis
riparian forests which were the basis
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for the survival of nomadic groups
for the survival of nomadic groups
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Samburu and the Turkana in this area so
Samburu and the Turkana in this area so
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everybody knew this is a not a useless
everybody knew this is a not a useless
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project this is an absolutely damaging a
project this is an absolutely damaging a
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terrible project not to speak about
terrible project not to speak about
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future indebtedness of the country for
future indebtedness of the country for
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these hundreds of millions of dollars
these hundreds of millions of dollars
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and the siphoning off of the scarce
and the siphoning off of the scarce
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resources of the economy from much more
resources of the economy from much more
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important activities like schools like
important activities like schools like
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hospitals and so on and yet we all
hospitals and so on and yet we all
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rejected this project none of the donors
rejected this project none of the donors
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was willing to have their name connected
was willing to have their name connected
with
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and it was the first project to be
and it was the first project to be
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implemented the good projects which we
implemented the good projects which we
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as donor community will take under our
as donor community will take under our
wings
wings
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they took years we had do many studies
they took years we had do many studies
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and very often they didn't succeed but
and very often they didn't succeed but
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he's bad products which we are
he's bad products which we are
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absolutely damaging for the economy for
absolutely damaging for the economy for
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many generations for the environment for
many generations for the environment for
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thousands of families who had to be
thousands of families who had to be
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resettled they were suddenly put
resettled they were suddenly put
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together by consortia
together by consortia
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of banks of supplier agencies of
of banks of supplier agencies of
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insurance agencies like in Germany
insurance agencies like in Germany
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aramis and so on and they came back very
aramis and so on and they came back very
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very quickly driven by an unholy
very quickly driven by an unholy
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alliance between the powerful elites in
alliance between the powerful elites in
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the countries there and the suppliers
the countries there and the suppliers
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from the north
from the north
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now these suppliers were our big
now these suppliers were our big
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companies three we are the actors of
companies three we are the actors of
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this global market which I mentioned in
this global market which I mentioned in
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the beginning they were the Simmons's of
the beginning they were the Simmons's of
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this world coming from France from the
this world coming from France from the
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UK from Japan from Canada from Germany
UK from Japan from Canada from Germany
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and they were systematically driven by
and they were systematically driven by
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systematic large-scale corruption and
systematic large-scale corruption and
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you are not talking about fifty thousand
you are not talking about fifty thousand
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dollars here or a hundred thousand
dollars here or a hundred thousand
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dollars there over 1 million dollars
dollars there over 1 million dollars
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there no we are talking about 10 million
there no we are talking about 10 million
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20 million dollars on the Swiss bank
20 million dollars on the Swiss bank
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accounts on the bank accounts of
accounts on the bank accounts of
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Liechtenstein of the president's
Liechtenstein of the president's
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ministers the high officials in the
ministers the high officials in the
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parastatal sectors this was a reality
parastatal sectors this was a reality
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which I saw not only one project like
which I saw not only one project like
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that I saw I would say over the years I
that I saw I would say over the years I
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worked in Africa for hundreds of
worked in Africa for hundreds of
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projects like this and so I became
projects like this and so I became
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convinced that it is this systemic
convinced that it is this systemic
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corruption which is perverting economic
corruption which is perverting economic
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policymaking in these countries which is
policymaking in these countries which is
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the main reason for the misery as a
the main reason for the misery as a
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poverty for the conflicts for the
poverty for the conflicts for the
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violence for the desperation in many of
violence for the desperation in many of
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these countries that we have today more
these countries that we have today more
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than a billion people but we know the
than a billion people but we know the
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absolute poverty line that we
absolute poverty line that we
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more than a billion people without
more than a billion people without
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proper drinking water in the world twice
proper drinking water in the world twice
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that number to more than two billion
that number to more than two billion
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people without sanitation and so on and
people without sanitation and so on and
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the consequent illnesses of mothers and
the consequent illnesses of mothers and
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children still tribe mortality of more
children still tribe mortality of more
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than ten million people every year
than ten million people every year
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children dying before they are five
children dying before they are five
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years old the cause of this is to a
years old the cause of this is to a
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large extent grand corruption now why
large extent grand corruption now why
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did the World Bank not let me do this
did the World Bank not let me do this
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work I found out afterwards after a left
work I found out afterwards after a left
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and Arabic fight to Burbank the reason
and Arabic fight to Burbank the reason
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was that the members of the World Bank
was that the members of the World Bank
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thought that foreign bribery was okay
thought that foreign bribery was okay
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including Germany Germany foreign
including Germany Germany foreign
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bribery was allowed it was even
bribery was allowed it was even
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tax-deductible no wonder that most of
tax-deductible no wonder that most of
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the most important international
the most important international
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operators in Germany but also in France
operators in Germany but also in France
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in UK in Scandinavia everywhere
in UK in Scandinavia everywhere
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systematically bribe not all of them but
systematically bribe not all of them but
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most of them and this is the phenomenon
most of them and this is the phenomenon
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which I call failing governance because
which I call failing governance because
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when I then came to Germany and started
when I then came to Germany and started
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this little NGO here in Berlin the villa
this little NGO here in Berlin the villa
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Bozek and we were told you cannot stop
Bozek and we were told you cannot stop
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our German exporters from bribing
our German exporters from bribing
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because we will lose our contract we
because we will lose our contract we
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will lose to the French we lose to the
will lose to the French we lose to the
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Swedes volutes with Japanese and
Swedes volutes with Japanese and
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therefore there was indeed a prisoner's
therefore there was indeed a prisoner's
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dilemma which made it very difficult for
dilemma which made it very difficult for
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an individual company individual
an individual company individual
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exporting country to say we are not
exporting country to say we are not
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going to continue this deadly disastrous
going to continue this deadly disastrous
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habit of large companies to bribe so
habit of large companies to bribe so
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this is what I mean with a failing
this is what I mean with a failing
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governance structure because even the
governance structure because even the
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powerful government which we have in
powerful government which we have in
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Germany comparatively was not able to
Germany comparatively was not able to
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say we will not allow our companies to
say we will not allow our companies to
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bribe abroad they needed help and the
bribe abroad they needed help and the
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large companies themselves it is
large companies themselves it is
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dilemma many of them didn't want to
dilemma many of them didn't want to
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bribe many of the German companies for
bribe many of the German companies for
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instance belief that they are really
instance belief that they are really
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producing a high quality product at a
producing a high quality product at a
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good price so they are very competitive
good price so they are very competitive
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they are not as good in bribing as many
they are not as good in bribing as many
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of their international competitors are
of their international competitors are
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but they were not allowed to show their
but they were not allowed to show their
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strengths because the word was eaten up
strengths because the word was eaten up
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by grand corruption and this is why I'm
by grand corruption and this is why I'm
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telling you this civil society role rose
telling you this civil society role rose
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to the occasion
to the occasion
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we had a small NGO Transparency
we had a small NGO Transparency
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International we began to think of an
International we began to think of an
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escape route from this prisoner's
escape route from this prisoner's
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dilemma and we developed concepts of
dilemma and we developed concepts of
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collective action basically trying to
collective action basically trying to
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bring various competitors together
bring various competitors together
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around the table explaining to all of
around the table explaining to all of
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them how much it would be in their
them how much it would be in their
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interest if they simultaneously would
interest if they simultaneously would
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stop right and to make a long story
stop right and to make a long story
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short we managed to eventually get
short we managed to eventually get
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Germany to sign together with the other
Germany to sign together with the other
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OECD countries and a few other exporters
OECD countries and a few other exporters
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in 1997 a convention under the auspices
in 1997 a convention under the auspices
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of the OECD which obliged everybody to
of the OECD which obliged everybody to
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change their laws and criminalize
change their laws and criminalize
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foreign bribery this is thank you I mean
foreign bribery this is thank you I mean
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it's interesting in doing this we had to
it's interesting in doing this we had to
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sit together with the companies we had
sit together with the companies we had
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here in Berlin on the Aspen Institute
here in Berlin on the Aspen Institute
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and on the onesy we had sessions with
and on the onesy we had sessions with
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about twenty captains of industry and we
about twenty captains of industry and we
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discussed with them what to do about
discussed with them what to do about
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international bribery in the first
international bribery in the first
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session yet three sessions there over
session yet three sessions there over
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the course of two years and president
the course of two years and president
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from weizsäcker by the way chaired one
from weizsäcker by the way chaired one
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of the sessions the first one to to take
of the sessions the first one to to take
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the fear away from the entrepreneurs who
the fear away from the entrepreneurs who
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we are not used to deal with
we are not used to deal with
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mental organizations and in the first
mental organizations and in the first
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session they all said this is not
session they all said this is not
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private what we are doing this is
private what we are doing this is
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customary there this is what these other
customary there this is what these other
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cultures demand they even applauded in
cultures demand they even applauded in
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fact Martin Weiser still says this today
fact Martin Weiser still says this today
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and so they are serve a lot of people
and so they are serve a lot of people
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are not convinced that you have to stop
are not convinced that you have to stop
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writing but in the second session they
writing but in the second session they
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admitted already that they would never
admitted already that they would never
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do this what they are doing in these
do this what they are doing in these
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other countries here in Germany or in
other countries here in Germany or in
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the UK and so on cabinet ministers would
the UK and so on cabinet ministers would
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admit this and in the final session at
admit this and in the final session at
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the Aspen Institute we had them all sign
the Aspen Institute we had them all sign
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an open letter to the core government at
an open letter to the core government at
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the time requesting that they
the time requesting that they
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participate in the OECD convention and
participate in the OECD convention and
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this is in my opinion an example of soft
this is in my opinion an example of soft
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power because we we were able to
power because we we were able to
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convince them that they had to go with
convince them that they had to go with
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us we had a longer term time perspective
us we had a longer term time perspective
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we had a broader geographically much
we had a broader geographically much
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wider constituency we are trying to
wider constituency we are trying to
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defend and that's why the law has
defend and that's why the law has
changed
changed
changed
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that's why Zeman's is now in the trouble
that's why Zeman's is now in the trouble
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they are in and that's why am i n s the
they are in and that's why am i n s the
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probably in some other countries the
probably in some other countries the
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OECD Convention is not yet properly
OECD Convention is not yet properly
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enforced and again civil society is
enforced and again civil society is
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breathing down the neck the
breathing down the neck the
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establishment in London for instance
establishment in London for instance
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where a BAE got away with a huge
where a BAE got away with a huge
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corruption case which the Serious Fraud
corruption case which the Serious Fraud
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Office try to prosecute a hundred
Office try to prosecute a hundred
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million British pounds every year for
million British pounds every year for
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ten years to one particular official of
ten years to one particular official of
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one particular friendly country who then
one particular friendly country who then
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bought for forty four billion pounds
bought for forty four billion pounds
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military equipment this case they are
military equipment this case they are
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not prosecuting in the UK why because
not prosecuting in the UK why because
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they consider this as contrary to the
they consider this as contrary to the
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security interest of the people of Great
security interest of the people of Great
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Britain civil society is pushing cessful
Britain civil society is pushing cessful
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civil societies is trying to get a
civil societies is trying to get a
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solution to this problem also in the UK
solution to this problem also in the UK
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and also in Japan which is not properly
and also in Japan which is not properly
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enforcing and so on in Germany we are
enforcing and so on in Germany we are
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pushing the ratification of the UN
pushing the ratification of the UN
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Convention there is a subsequent Condor
Convention there is a subsequent Condor
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we are Germany it's not ratifying why
we are Germany it's not ratifying why
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because it would make it necessary to
because it would make it necessary to
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criminalize the corruption of Deputies
criminalize the corruption of Deputies
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in Germany we have a system where you
in Germany we have a system where you
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are not allowed to bribe a civil servant
are not allowed to bribe a civil servant
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but you are allowed to bribe the deputy
but you are allowed to bribe the deputy
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this is under German law allowed and the
this is under German law allowed and the
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members of our Parliament don't want to
members of our Parliament don't want to
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change this and this is why they can't
change this and this is why they can't
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sign the UN Convention against foreign
sign the UN Convention against foreign
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bribery one of the very very few
bribery one of the very very few
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countries which is preaching honesty and
countries which is preaching honesty and
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good governance everywhere in the world
good governance everywhere in the world
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not able to ratify a convention which we
not able to ratify a convention which we
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managed to get on the books this about
managed to get on the books this about
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160 countries all over the world I see
160 countries all over the world I see
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my time is ticking
my time is ticking
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let me just try to draw some conclusions
let me just try to draw some conclusions
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what has happened I mean I believe that
what has happened I mean I believe that
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what we managed to achieve in fighting
what we managed to achieve in fighting
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corruption one can also achieve in other
corruption one can also achieve in other
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areas of failing governance by now the
areas of failing governance by now the
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United Nations is totally open on our
United Nations is totally open on our
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side the World Bank has turned from
side the World Bank has turned from
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solace to powerless under Wolfensohn
solace to powerless under Wolfensohn
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they became I would say the strongest
they became I would say the strongest
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anti-corruption agency of the world most
anti-corruption agency of the world most
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of the large companies are now totally
of the large companies are now totally
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convinced that they have to put in place
convinced that they have to put in place
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very strong policies against bribery and
very strong policies against bribery and
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so on and this is possible because civil
so on and this is possible because civil
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society joined the companies and joined
society joined the companies and joined
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the government in the analysis of the
the government in the analysis of the
problem
problem
problem
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in the development of remedies in the
in the development of remedies in the
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implementation of reforms and then later
implementation of reforms and then later
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in the monitoring of the forms of course
in the monitoring of the forms of course
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if civil society organizations want to
if civil society organizations want to
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play that role they have to grow into
play that role they have to grow into
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this responsibility not all civil
this responsibility not all civil
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society organizations are good the Ku
society organizations are good the Ku
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Klux Klan is an NGO so we must be aware
Klux Klan is an NGO so we must be aware
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that civil society has to shape up
that civil society has to shape up
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itself they have to have a much more
itself they have to have a much more
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transparent van
transparent van
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governance you have to have a much more
governance you have to have a much more
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participatory governance in many civil
participatory governance in many civil
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society organizations we also need much
society organizations we also need much
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more competence of civil society leaders
more competence of civil society leaders
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this is why we have set up the
this is why we have set up the
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governance school in the center for
governance school in the center for
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civil society here in Berlin because you
civil society here in Berlin because you
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believe most of our educational and
believe most of our educational and
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research institutions in Germany and
research institutions in Germany and
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continental Europe in general do not
continental Europe in general do not
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focus enough yet on empowering civil
focus enough yet on empowering civil
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society training the leadership of civil
society training the leadership of civil
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society but what I'm saying from a very
society but what I'm saying from a very
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practical experience if civil society
practical experience if civil society
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does it right and enjoying the other
does it right and enjoying the other
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actors in particular governance
actors in particular governance
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governments and the international
governments and the international
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institutions but also large
institutions but also large
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international actors particularly those
international actors particularly those
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which have committed themselves to
which have committed themselves to
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corporate social responsibility then in
corporate social responsibility then in
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this magical triangle between civil
this magical triangle between civil
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society government and private sector
society government and private sector
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there is a tremendous chance for all of
there is a tremendous chance for all of
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Peter Eigen, TED, TEDx, TEDxBerlin, Berlin, Transparency, International, corruption, globalism, TED-Ed, TED, Ed, TEDEducation
