Hire the hackers! - Misha Glenny
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now this is a very uh unted like thing
now this is a very uh unted like thing
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to do but let's kick off the afternoon
to do but let's kick off the afternoon
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with a message from a mystery sponsor
with a message from a mystery sponsor
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dear fox news
dear fox news
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it has come to our unfortunate attention
it has come to our unfortunate attention
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that both the name and nature of
that both the name and nature of
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anonymous has been ravaged
anonymous has been ravaged
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we are everyone and we are no one
we are everyone and we are no one
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we are anonymous we are legion we do not
we are anonymous we are legion we do not
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forgive we do not forget
forgive we do not forget
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anonymous ladies and gentlemen
anonymous ladies and gentlemen
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a sophisticated group of politically
a sophisticated group of politically
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motivated hackers who have emerged in
motivated hackers who have emerged in
2011
2011
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and they're pretty scary you never know
and they're pretty scary you never know
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when they're going to attack next who or
when they're going to attack next who or
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what the consequences will be
what the consequences will be
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but interestingly
but interestingly
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they have a sense of humor
they have a sense of humor
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these guys hacked into fox news's
these guys hacked into fox news's
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twitter account to announce president
twitter account to announce president
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obama's assassination
obama's assassination
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now you can imagine the panic that would
now you can imagine the panic that would
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have generated in the newsroom at fox
have generated in the newsroom at fox
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what do we do now put on a black armband
what do we do now put on a black armband
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or crack open the champagne
or crack open the champagne
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and of course
and of course
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who could
who could
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who could escape the irony of a member
who could escape the irony of a member
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of rupert murdoch's news corp being a
of rupert murdoch's news corp being a
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victim of hacking for a change
victim of hacking for a change
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sometimes you know
sometimes you know
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you turn on the news and you say is
you turn on the news and you say is
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there anyone left to hack sony
there anyone left to hack sony
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playstation network
playstation network
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done the government of turkey tick
done the government of turkey tick
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britain's serious organized crime agency
britain's serious organized crime agency
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a breeze the cia falling off a log in
a breeze the cia falling off a log in
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fact a friend of mine from the security
fact a friend of mine from the security
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industry told me the other day that
industry told me the other day that
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there are two types of companies in the
there are two types of companies in the
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world those that know they've been
world those that know they've been
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hacked and those that don't i mean
hacked and those that don't i mean
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three companies providing
three companies providing
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cyber security services to the fbi have
cyber security services to the fbi have
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been hacked i mean is nothing sacred
been hacked i mean is nothing sacred
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anymore for heaven's sake
anymore for heaven's sake
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anyway this mysterious group anonymous
anyway this mysterious group anonymous
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and they would say this themselves they
and they would say this themselves they
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are providing a service by demonstrating
are providing a service by demonstrating
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how useless companies are at protecting
how useless companies are at protecting
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our data but there is also a very
our data but there is also a very
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serious aspect to anonymous they are
serious aspect to anonymous they are
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ideologically
ideologically
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they claim that they are battling a
they claim that they are battling a
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dastardly conspiracy
dastardly conspiracy
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they say that governments are trying to
they say that governments are trying to
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take over the internet and control it
take over the internet and control it
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and that they
and that they
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anonymous are the authentic voice of
anonymous are the authentic voice of
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resistance be it against middle eastern
resistance be it against middle eastern
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dictatorships against global media
dictatorships against global media
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corporations or against intelligence
corporations or against intelligence
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agencies or whoever it is and their
agencies or whoever it is and their
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politics are not entirely unattractive
politics are not entirely unattractive
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okay they're a little in koat and
okay they're a little in koat and
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there's a there's a strong whiff of sort
there's a there's a strong whiff of sort
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of half-baked anarchism uh about them
of half-baked anarchism uh about them
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but one thing is true
but one thing is true
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we are at the beginning of a mighty
we are at the beginning of a mighty
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struggle
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for control of the internet
for control of the internet
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the web links everything and very soon
the web links everything and very soon
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it will mediate most human activity
it will mediate most human activity
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because the internet has fashioned a new
because the internet has fashioned a new
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and complicated environment for an old
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age dilemma that pits the demands of
age dilemma that pits the demands of
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with the desire
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for freedom now this is a very
for freedom now this is a very
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complicated struggle and unfortunately
complicated struggle and unfortunately
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for mortals like uh you and me
for mortals like uh you and me
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we probably can't uh understand it very
we probably can't uh understand it very
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well nonetheless in an unexpected attack
well nonetheless in an unexpected attack
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of hubris a couple of years ago i
of hubris a couple of years ago i
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decided i would try and do that and uh i
decided i would try and do that and uh i
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sought i sort of get it these were the
sought i sort of get it these were the
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various things that i was looking at as
various things that i was looking at as
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i was trying to understand it but in
i was trying to understand it but in
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order to try and explain the whole thing
order to try and explain the whole thing
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i would need another 18 minutes or so to
i would need another 18 minutes or so to
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do it so you're just going to have to
do it so you're just going to have to
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take it on trust from me on this
take it on trust from me on this
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occasion and let me assure you that all
occasion and let me assure you that all
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of these issues are involved in cyber
of these issues are involved in cyber
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security and control of the internet one
security and control of the internet one
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way or the other but in a configuration
way or the other but in a configuration
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that uh even stephen hawkins would
that uh even stephen hawkins would
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probably have difficulty trying to get
probably have difficulty trying to get
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uh trying to get his head around
uh trying to get his head around
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so there you are and as you see in the
so there you are and as you see in the
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middle there is our old friend the
middle there is our old friend the
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hacker
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the hacker is absolutely central to many
the hacker is absolutely central to many
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of the political social and economic
of the political social and economic
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issues affecting the net and so i
issues affecting the net and so i
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thought to myself well
thought to myself well
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these are the guys who i want to talk to
these are the guys who i want to talk to
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and what do you know
and what do you know
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nobody else does talk to the hackers
nobody else does talk to the hackers
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they're completely anonymous as it were
they're completely anonymous as it were
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so despite the fact that we are
so despite the fact that we are
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beginning to pour
beginning to pour
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billions hundreds of billions of dollars
billions hundreds of billions of dollars
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into cyber security for the most
into cyber security for the most
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extraordinary technical
extraordinary technical
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uh solutions
uh solutions
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no one wants to talk to these guys the
no one wants to talk to these guys the
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hackers who are doing
hackers who are doing
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everything instead we prefer these
everything instead we prefer these
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really dazzling technological solutions
really dazzling technological solutions
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um which cost a huge amount of money so
um which cost a huge amount of money so
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nothing is going into into the hackers
nothing is going into into the hackers
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well i say nothing but actually there is
well i say nothing but actually there is
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one teeny weeny little research unit in
one teeny weeny little research unit in
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turin italy called the hackers profiling
turin italy called the hackers profiling
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project and they are doing some
project and they are doing some
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fantastic research into the
fantastic research into the
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characteristics into the abilities and
characteristics into the abilities and
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the socialization of hackers but because
the socialization of hackers but because
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they're a un operation maybe that's why
they're a un operation maybe that's why
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governments and corporations aren't that
governments and corporations aren't that
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interested in them and because it's a un
interested in them and because it's a un
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operation of course it lacks funding but
operation of course it lacks funding but
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i think they're doing very important
i think they're doing very important
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work because where we have a surfeit of
work because where we have a surfeit of
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technology in the cyber security
technology in the cyber security
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industry we have a definite lack
industry we have a definite lack
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of call me old-fashioned
of call me old-fashioned
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human intelligence
human intelligence
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now so far i've mentioned the hackers
now so far i've mentioned the hackers
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anonymous who are a politically
anonymous who are a politically
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motivated hacking group of course the
motivated hacking group of course the
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criminal justice system treats them as
criminal justice system treats them as
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common or garden criminals but
common or garden criminals but
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interestingly anonymous does not make
interestingly anonymous does not make
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use of its hacked information for
use of its hacked information for
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financial gain
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but what about the real cyber criminals
but what about the real cyber criminals
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well real organized crime on the
well real organized crime on the
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internet goes back about 10 years when a
internet goes back about 10 years when a
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group of gifted ukrainian hackers
group of gifted ukrainian hackers
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developed a website
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which led to the
which led to the
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industrialization of cybercrime welcome
industrialization of cybercrime welcome
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to the now forgotten realm of carter
to the now forgotten realm of carter
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this is how they were advertising
this is how they were advertising
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themselves a decade ago
themselves a decade ago
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on the net now carla planet was very
on the net now carla planet was very
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interesting cyber criminals would go
interesting cyber criminals would go
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there to buy and sell stolen credit card
there to buy and sell stolen credit card
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details to exchange information about
details to exchange information about
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new malware that was was out there
new malware that was was out there
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and remember this is a time when we're
and remember this is a time when we're
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seeing for the first time so-called
seeing for the first time so-called
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off-the-shelf malware this is sort of
off-the-shelf malware this is sort of
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ready for use out of the box stuff which
ready for use out of the box stuff which
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you can deploy even if you're not a
you can deploy even if you're not a
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terribly sophisticated
terribly sophisticated
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hacker and so carter planet became a
hacker and so carter planet became a
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sort of supermarket for cyber criminals
sort of supermarket for cyber criminals
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and its creators were incredibly smart
and its creators were incredibly smart
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and entrepreneurial because they were
and entrepreneurial because they were
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faced with one enormous challenge as
faced with one enormous challenge as
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cyber criminals and that challenge is
cyber criminals and that challenge is
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how do you do business how do you trust
how do you do business how do you trust
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somebody on the web who you want to do
somebody on the web who you want to do
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business with when you know that they're
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a criminal
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i mean it's axiomatic that they're dodgy
i mean it's axiomatic that they're dodgy
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and they're going to want to try and rip
and they're going to want to try and rip
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you off
you off
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the family as the inner core of carter
the family as the inner core of carter
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planet was known came up with this
planet was known came up with this
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brilliant idea called the escrow system
brilliant idea called the escrow system
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they appointed an officer
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who would mediate between the vendor and
who would mediate between the vendor and
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the purchaser the vendor say of stolen
the purchaser the vendor say of stolen
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credit card details uh the purchase
credit card details uh the purchase
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don't wanted to get hold of them the
don't wanted to get hold of them the
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purchaser would send the administrative
purchaser would send the administrative
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officer um some dollars digitally and
officer um some dollars digitally and
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the vendor would sell the stolen credit
the vendor would sell the stolen credit
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card details and the officer would then
card details and the officer would then
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verify if the credit card uh the stolen
verify if the credit card uh the stolen
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credit cards worked and if they did he
credit cards worked and if they did he
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then passed on the money to the vendor
then passed on the money to the vendor
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and the stolen credit card details to
and the stolen credit card details to
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the purchaser and it was this which
the purchaser and it was this which
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completely revolutionized cybercrime on
completely revolutionized cybercrime on
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the web and uh after that it just went
the web and uh after that it just went
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while we had a champagne decade for
while we had a champagne decade for
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people we know we know as carters now i
people we know we know as carters now i
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spoke to one of these carters who will
spoke to one of these carters who will
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call red brigade although that was not
call red brigade although that was not
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even his proper nickname but i promised
even his proper nickname but i promised
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i wouldn't reveal who he was and he
i wouldn't reveal who he was and he
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explained to me how in 2003 and 2004 he
explained to me how in 2003 and 2004 he
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would go on sprees
would go on sprees
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in new york taking out 10 000 from an
in new york taking out 10 000 from an
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atm here 30 000 from an uh atm there
atm here 30 000 from an uh atm there
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using cloned credit cards he was making
using cloned credit cards he was making
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on average a week
on average a week
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150 000
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tax-free of course
tax-free of course
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and uh
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he said that
he said that
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he had so much money stashed in his
he had so much money stashed in his
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upper east side apartment at one point
upper east side apartment at one point
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that he just didn't know what to do with
that he just didn't know what to do with
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it and actually fell into a depression
it and actually fell into a depression
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but that's a slightly different story
but that's a slightly different story
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which i won't go into now now the
which i won't go into now now the
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interesting thing about red brigade is
interesting thing about red brigade is
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is that he wasn't an advanced hacker he
is that he wasn't an advanced hacker he
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sort of understood the technology and he
sort of understood the technology and he
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realized that security was very
realized that security was very
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important if you were going to be
important if you were going to be
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a carder but he didn't spend his days
a carder but he didn't spend his days
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and nights bent over a computer eating
and nights bent over a computer eating
pizza
pizza
pizza
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drinking coke and that sort of thing he
drinking coke and that sort of thing he
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was out there on the town having a fab
was out there on the town having a fab
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time in enjoying the high life and this
time in enjoying the high life and this
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is because hackers are only one element
is because hackers are only one element
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in a cyber criminal enterprise and often
in a cyber criminal enterprise and often
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they're the most
they're the most
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vulnerable element of all and
vulnerable element of all and
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i want to explain this to you by
i want to explain this to you by
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introducing you to six characters who i
introducing you to six characters who i
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met while i was uh doing this research
met while i was uh doing this research
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dimitri golob aka script born in odessa
dimitri golob aka script born in odessa
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ukraine in 1982. now he developed his
ukraine in 1982. now he developed his
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social and moral compass and the black
social and moral compass and the black
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sea port during the 1990s
sea port during the 1990s
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this was a sink or swim environment
this was a sink or swim environment
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where involvement
where involvement
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in criminal or corrupt activities was
in criminal or corrupt activities was
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entirely necessary if you wanted to
entirely necessary if you wanted to
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survive as an accomplished computer user
survive as an accomplished computer user
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what dimitri did was to transfer the
what dimitri did was to transfer the
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gangster capitalism of his hometown
gangster capitalism of his hometown
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on to the world wide web and he did a
on to the world wide web and he did a
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great job in it you have to understand
great job in it you have to understand
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over that from his ninth birthday
over that from his ninth birthday
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the only environment that he knew was
the only environment that he knew was
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gangsterism he knew no other way of
gangsterism he knew no other way of
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making a living
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and making money then we have renuka
and making money then we have renuka
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subramaniam aka jilzy founder of dark
subramaniam aka jilzy founder of dark
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market born in colombo sri lanka as an
market born in colombo sri lanka as an
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eight-year-old he and his parents fled
eight-year-old he and his parents fled
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the sri lankan capital because singali's
the sri lankan capital because singali's
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mobs were roaming the city looking for
mobs were roaming the city looking for
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tamils like renu to murder at 11 he was
tamils like renu to murder at 11 he was
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interrogated by the sri lankan military
interrogated by the sri lankan military
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accused of being a terrorist and his
accused of being a terrorist and his
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parents sent him
parents sent him
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on his own to britain as a refugee
on his own to britain as a refugee
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seeking political asylum at 13 with only
seeking political asylum at 13 with only
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little english and being bullied at
little english and being bullied at
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school he escaped into a world of
school he escaped into a world of
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computers where he showed great
computers where he showed great
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technical ability but he was soon being
technical ability but he was soon being
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seduced by people uh on the internet he
seduced by people uh on the internet he
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was convicted of mortgage and credit
was convicted of mortgage and credit
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card fraud and he will be released from
card fraud and he will be released from
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wormwood scrubs jail in london in 2012.
wormwood scrubs jail in london in 2012.
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matrix zero zero one matrix
matrix zero zero one matrix
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who was an administrator of dark market
who was an administrator of dark market
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born in southern germany to a stable and
born in southern germany to a stable and
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well respected middle class family his
well respected middle class family his
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obsession with gaming as a teenager led
obsession with gaming as a teenager led
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him to hacking and he was soon
him to hacking and he was soon
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controlling huge servers around the
controlling huge servers around the
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world where he stored his games that he
world where he stored his games that he
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had cracked and pirated his slide into
had cracked and pirated his slide into
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criminality was incremental and when he
criminality was incremental and when he
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finally woke up to his situation and
finally woke up to his situation and
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understood the implications he was
understood the implications he was
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already in
already in
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too deep
too deep
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max vision aka iceman mastermind of
max vision aka iceman mastermind of
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carder's market born in meridian idaho
carder's market born in meridian idaho
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max vision was one of the best
max vision was one of the best
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penetration testers working out of santa
penetration testers working out of santa
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clara california
clara california
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in the late 90s for private companies
in the late 90s for private companies
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and voluntarily
and voluntarily
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for the fbi now in the late 1990s he
for the fbi now in the late 1990s he
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discovered a vulnerability on all u.s
discovered a vulnerability on all u.s
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government networks and he went in and
government networks and he went in and
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patched it up because this included
patched it up because this included
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nuclear research facilities sparing the
nuclear research facilities sparing the
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american government a huge security
american government a huge security
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embarrassment but also because he was an
embarrassment but also because he was an
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investor at hacker he left a tiny
investor at hacker he left a tiny
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digital
digital
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wormhole through which he alone could
wormhole through which he alone could
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crawl but this was spotted by an eagle
crawl but this was spotted by an eagle
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eye investigator and he was convicted at
eye investigator and he was convicted at
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his open prison he came under the
his open prison he came under the
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influence of financial fraudsters and
influence of financial fraudsters and
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those financial fraudsters persuaded him
those financial fraudsters persuaded him
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to work for them on his uh release and
to work for them on his uh release and
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this man with a planetary sized brain is
this man with a planetary sized brain is
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now serving a 13-year sentence in
now serving a 13-year sentence in
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california adewale taiwa aka freddie
california adewale taiwa aka freddie
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bibi master bank account cracker from
bibi master bank account cracker from
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abuja in nigeria he set up his presently
abuja in nigeria he set up his presently
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entitled news group bank frauds at
entitled news group bank frauds at
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before arriving in britain in 2005 to
before arriving in britain in 2005 to
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take a masters in chemical engineering
take a masters in chemical engineering
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at manchester university he impressed in
at manchester university he impressed in
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the private sector developing chemical
the private sector developing chemical
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applications for the oil industry while
applications for the oil industry while
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simultaneously running a worldwide bank
simultaneously running a worldwide bank
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and credit card fraud operation that was
and credit card fraud operation that was
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worth millions until his arrest in 2008.
worth millions until his arrest in 2008.
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and then finally chateau eviapan aka
and then finally chateau eviapan aka
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chao one of the most remarkable hackers
chao one of the most remarkable hackers
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ever from ankara in turkey he combines
ever from ankara in turkey he combines
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the tremendous skills of a geek with the
the tremendous skills of a geek with the
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suave social engineering skills of the
suave social engineering skills of the
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master uh criminal one of the smartest
master uh criminal one of the smartest
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people uh i've ever met he also had the
people uh i've ever met he also had the
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most effective virtual private network
most effective virtual private network
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security arrangement the police have
security arrangement the police have
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ever encountered amongst global cyber
ever encountered amongst global cyber
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criminals now the important thing about
criminals now the important thing about
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all of these people is they share
all of these people is they share
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certain characteristics despite the fact
certain characteristics despite the fact
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that they come from very different
that they come from very different
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environments they are all people who
environments they are all people who
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learnt their hacking skills in their
learnt their hacking skills in their
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early to mid teens
early to mid teens
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they are all
they are all
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people who demonstrate advanced ability
people who demonstrate advanced ability
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in maths and the sciences remember when
in maths and the sciences remember when
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they develop those hacking skills their
they develop those hacking skills their
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moral compass had not yet developed and
moral compass had not yet developed and
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most of them with the exception of
most of them with the exception of
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script and chow well they
script and chow well they
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did not
did not
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demonstrate any real social skills in
demonstrate any real social skills in
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the outside world only on the web and
the outside world only on the web and
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the other thing is is the high incidence
the other thing is is the high incidence
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of hackers like these who have
of hackers like these who have
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characteristics which are consistent
characteristics which are consistent
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with asperger's syndrome now i discussed
with asperger's syndrome now i discussed
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this with professor simon baron cohen
this with professor simon baron cohen
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who's the professor of developmental
who's the professor of developmental
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psychopathology at
psychopathology at
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cambridge and he has done path-breaking
cambridge and he has done path-breaking
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work on autism and confirmed also for
work on autism and confirmed also for
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the authorities here that gary mckinnon
the authorities here that gary mckinnon
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who was who is wanted by the united
who was who is wanted by the united
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states for hacking into the to the
states for hacking into the to the
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pentagon suffers from expert asperger's
pentagon suffers from expert asperger's
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and the secondary condition of
and the secondary condition of
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depression and baron cohen explained
depression and baron cohen explained
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that certain disabilities can manifest
that certain disabilities can manifest
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themselves in the hacking and computing
themselves in the hacking and computing
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world as tremendous skills and that we
world as tremendous skills and that we
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should not be throwing in jail people
should not be throwing in jail people
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who have such disabilities and skills
who have such disabilities and skills
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because they have lost their way
because they have lost their way
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socially or been duped now i think we're
socially or been duped now i think we're
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missing a trick here because i don't
missing a trick here because i don't
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think people like max vision should be
think people like max vision should be
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in jail and let me be blunt about this
in jail and let me be blunt about this
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in china in russia and in loads of other
in china in russia and in loads of other
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countries that are developing cyber
countries that are developing cyber
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offensive capabilities this is exactly
offensive capabilities this is exactly
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what they are doing
what they are doing
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they are recruiting hackers both before
they are recruiting hackers both before
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and after they become involved in
and after they become involved in
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criminal and industrial espionage
criminal and industrial espionage
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activities and mobilizing them on behalf
activities and mobilizing them on behalf
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of the state
of the state
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we need to engage and find ways of
we need to engage and find ways of
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offering guidance to these young people
offering guidance to these young people
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because they are a remarkable breed and
because they are a remarkable breed and
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if we rely as we do at the moment solely
if we rely as we do at the moment solely
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on the criminal justice system and the
on the criminal justice system and the
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threat of punitive sentences we will be
threat of punitive sentences we will be
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nurturing a monster we cannot tame
nurturing a monster we cannot tame
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so um
so um
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so your idea we're spreading is
so your idea we're spreading is
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higher hackers
higher hackers
how
how
how
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how would someone get over the kind of
how would someone get over the kind of
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fear that the hacker they hire might
fear that the hacker they hire might
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preserve that little teensy wormhole
preserve that little teensy wormhole
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i think
i think
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to an extent you have to understand that
to an extent you have to understand that
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it's axiomatic among hackers that they
it's axiomatic among hackers that they
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do that they are
do that they are
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you know they're just relentless and
you know they're just relentless and
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obsessive about what they do
obsessive about what they do
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but all of the people who i've spoken to
but all of the people who i've spoken to
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who've fallen foul of the law they have
who've fallen foul of the law they have
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all said please please give us a chance
all said please please give us a chance
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to work in the legitimate industry we
to work in the legitimate industry we
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just never knew how to get there what we
just never knew how to get there what we
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were doing we want to work with you okay
were doing we want to work with you okay
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Misha Glenny, coder, hacker, cybersecurity, TED, TED-Ed, TED, Ed, TEDEducation
